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It always seemed so strange to me that "native" http clients were so lousy or many cases even non-existent considering that that's half of development these days.

How do I get this more persistent?

No reason given?


Any reason needed?!? We can all see what he’s done!


I agree, but there's still a big "Why now?" question in my head. I suspect the board knows of something even more spectacularly stupid he's about to do.


There is a hearing on Sep 30 as part of the WPE vs Automattic/WP trial where they will decide of Matt allegedly destroyed evidence. Matt apparently had automatic deleting messages enabled on his platforms, even throughout the period where they were supposed to be preserving it. His side said it was due to his "romantic partners", but his lawyers argued during the whole time everything had been preserved when it appears it wasn't. So the result of that hearing may came with a pretty big bill attached to it for all the legal time that was wasted for the other side, as well as instructions for the jury etc to assume the evidence was all harmful. So the timing might be related to that.


He got tired of WPEngine not contributing back to wordpress, so he made it his mission to try and get them to pitch in.


He tried to extort them. Hosting providers have been selling Wordpress hosting for years without "giving back"

Does Wordpress "give back" to PHP and Linux?


Automattic are the biggest sponsors of the PHP foundation so they do give back there.


I think they gave like $100k as a donation, which is great. But they were demanding WPE I think for around 32 million a year or something nuts. You could argue PHP is way more important to WordPress than WPE is.


That's why, at a conference fully paid for by WPEngine, he announced that WPEngine had never paid for anything.


He had a perfectly good example of how to do that productively. His friend Dries Buytaert over in Drupal land has had a commit credit system going for years that has worked well enough that people are constantly trying to game it. Instead he went for the jugular. I really don’t think he’s okay.


WordPress is free software. Its users are under no obligation to contribute to its development, or to give money to Automattic.


Didn't he start that campaign at a conference for WordPress developers funded by WP engine? I don't have any insight into what they did or didn't contribute, but it seems their obligation was zero and their level was quite a bit higher than that.


Does WPEngine have any obligation to contribute back? How is WordPress licensed?


Open to correction here, but I understand it to be like this: the kernel of the contention is about the use of the WordPress and WooCommerce trademarks, not the software itself. Essentially, WP Engine is a commercial entity profiting from the use of the trademark. Regardless of how it has been handled, it does not seem to be a frivolous claim.


They were using the trademark on the website to describe WordPress the software project under nomitative fair use in the same way many, many hosting providers have been doing for decades. He openly admitted in online comments to trying (and failing) to extort their CEO in private to give Automattic huge payments, and if they declined that he'd destroy their valuation by cutting off their access and buy them for pennies on the dollar. Among other threats leading up to the lawsuit, which taken together made it look like a blatantly selective punitive measure for cynical reasons.

It doesn't help that the word "Wordpress" is used for all sorts of different, but overlapping things: wordpress.com for his private WordPress commercial host competing with WPEngine, wordpress.org for the WordPress Foundation he also controls, WordPress describing the open source GPL licensed project.

Google makes things much simpler to avoid misusing their trademarks by splitting Chrome for their commercial product and Chromium for the open source project.


And the part that is being litigated is whether that is, in fact, fair use, correct?

I like the comparison to Chrome and Chromium. I don't know the timeline of the whole wordpress IP. At this most it has arguably undergone genericization. That's why I think it's complicated enough that there is merit to arguments on either side.


That's a small part of what's being litigated. The rest of what's being litigated is unfair trade practices, monopolization, promissory estoppel, defamation, and computer fraud/abuse. (Seriously, there are 18 causes of action in the Third Amended Complaint, which is here: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.43... . There are also counterclaims, which are here: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.43... )


> nomitative fair use

No, WP Engine has been highlighting WordPress and using the word in a way that it did make a lot of non-technical people believe that WP Engine was 'WordPress'. In that, Mullenweg has a point.


They do not. It's GPL


Only to the extent the company pledged to do so.

It did pledge, and the follow-up on that pledge was minimal.


> Only to the extent the company pledged to do so.

Is this not the standard expectation? Does one typically add a gratuity when contributing to OSS?

> It did pledge, and the follow-up on that pledge was minimal.

So they kept the promise?


I don't know about standard behaviour, some people consider behaviour normal that I consider slimy.

I heard at the time that a WP Engine employee had told someone that his/her pledged "full time assignment" had shrunk to a small number of hours per week after a while. That's hearsay, I heard it from someone who doesn't work at either of the two companies and it must be third-hand. But if that were the case, and if the pledge didn't say how long the full-time assignment would be kept up, some people would say that the promise was kept. Those people probably also would say that you shouldn't trust a handshake agreement, and please have a lawyer check the written agreement, and if you run an open source project, copy the policies Oracle has for JDK.

What I say is that there's a conflict waiting to happen, if one of the parties expects the pledge to be kept up for a significant period of time and the other expects to tiptoe away shortly later.


The incremental improvements seem like they are going to be pretty modest from this point.


Shouldn't this all be easily doable via (auto-)prompting? Surely I don't need to "install" anything?


This seems like something xAi could reproduce in a weekend


The other thing OpenRouter gets you is: Access to loads of models via a common API/sign-up/prepayment mechanism.

I want to know which vendor/model does best at my extracting-facts-from-text task? Which does best at my OCR-a-text-document task? Which can deal with a safe-for-work beach photo without a censorship system false alarm?

OpenRouter lets me run my tests against openai and anthropic and google and x and bytedance and qwen and llama, with a single sign-up and a single payment.


You can do that with AWS too.


AWS Bedrock's model offering is tiny compared to Open Router. I have to agree with GP, there's no better way to run an eval suite against many models


The other thing is, aren't the models mostly indistinguishable at this point?


Could but hasn't. What exactly is xAI's USP compared to the others?


Copying others better and faster. I would say this is right up their alley.


CSAM and having the potential to randomly becoming unhinged due to strong alignment with the whims of the one dude? Surely puts enterprises at ease.


Nobody would trust one of the labs that have their own models with this. They’d assume they’re taking all the data, and biasing the routing to favour themselves. xAI would probably be the least trusted, but the same would apply for any of them.


Everyone could reproduce this on a weekend...


Even a business spend provider: https://router.com


xAI just not in the game, never was.


Just remember, for 99.9% of us, work accomplishments are meaningless.


I think about it. At one point job accomplisments mattered and later it stopped not because of having family, but also what mattered at work changed. All the tips, tricks, late night work, things I thought were clever, unique, frugal solutions were marked as hack, obsoleted solutions, need to be replaced by "industry standards" platforms. Of course things change, one learn and apply new skills, but underlying theme was new solutions will be done proper experts this time. While I have to hang around to explain and repent my past mistakes if I want to hold onto job.


I dunno. I think the main takeaway here is that you can do 80-95% of your stuff in Postgres and eschew all the unnecessary, unproven stores.


Agree. Couldn't care less. There are some neat aspects to "rare books" but overall quite insignificant.


Has Firefox not had containers until now????


I've been using containers in Firefox for years


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